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Looks like Vasi is serious this time @!!!
indianajones: check this out guys
indianajones: Someone writes: There is a rumour on the Internet that "Rybka 4" will have a heavy padlock on its code. I hope that will not hurt the performance as we then can't find out and compare with the unlocked version. For a chess program it is very hard to really protect the code from reverse engineering and making the code hard to break, (it makes the engine only slower.) There is no copy protection the hackers can't break we see this over and over again. A heavy protection only hurt's the users, not the hackers. For myself i refuse to buy software that requires that i insert the DVD every time i want to use the program i hope Vas will not use this kind of protection. To which VR writes: I agree with your statements here pretty much 100%. Some remarks: 1) In general, you win by creating as much value as possible, not by trying to squeeze as much as possible out of limited value. It's better business and it's better psychology. 2) Activation schemes and dvd checks are all easily cracked. The only way to remain safe is to create something not many people want to use, a solution I'd rather avoid. :-) 3) Some software developers take an unhealthy view of piracy, thinking that pirates personally steal from them and asking themselves questions like "How rich would I be if piracy were impossible?". In reality, if piracy were impossible, the entire game would be completely different and in particular the level of effort and organization by competitors would be different. I talked to Stefan Meyer-Kahlen, the longtime #1 in the first half of this decade, about this. There was also a decompiled Shredder, while another competing author would gleefully mention things he'd learned from his own Shredder reverse-engineering (yes, computer chess authors can be more than a little competitive :-)). His approach was to diversify his business - he wrote a GUI, made a professional web site (back when it wasn't quite as fashionable), and so on. When I started with Rybka, I wondered how plausible it would be to catch up with smart guys who had a 10-year full-time head start on me and who were established enough to be able to continue working full-time. As it turned out, after just 2+ years of work and only 3 months after quitting my job to work on Rybka full-time, I was able to set up a functioning business in this field. This would have been much harder had Stefan and other competitors not also had these same hurdles to deal with. 4) As the sports saying goes, don't let an opponent beat you twice - first on the field, and a second time by affecting how you play the next game. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just not let something beat you twice. Having said all of this - there is in fact a solution to these problems, one which I'll announce fairly soon. It's so good that it would be a no-brainer even if piracy didn't exist - it's a win-win-win for everybody (customers, partners, and Rybka) and I am very optimistic about everything. I'll keep the suspense a bit longer, but let me also mention two other approaches which I considered and rejected: 1) Diversifying - I like working on game-playing algorithms rather than things like GUIs and web stuff, so for me this would have involved going into another game. It's safer to have two games at #1 by 50 Elo than one game at #1 by 150 Elo, the latter makes you more of a target. The problem is that this goes against how I like to work. Some people get bored doing the same thing every day, but I tend to get energized by digging really deep. 2) Hardware (FPGA) Rybka, sold for 500-1000 Euro, in addition to the software version - This would have been an interesting project, and a Rybka-shaped USB stick would have been super-cool :-), but while FPGA can deliver performance, I came to see it as more of a business trick than as something which would provide true maximum customer value. Vas
никел: No idea of what he is talking about, but he said that there will be a Chessbase version of R4, so...
Celtic: Making a chessbase version of rybka (rybka.eng) might be a good idea. Not sure. But... If I were a commercial programmer and wanted to avoid piracy, I would make a dedicated machine. Remember the Novag, Fidelity, Citrine ?
Celtic: Forgot to mention PSP, Nintendo etc...
анон_к: никел writes: No idea of what he is talking about, but he said that there will be a Chessbase version of R4, so Indeed I hope there will be a CB version ! I would not have said that last week, but now... AC
Steven Edwards: If Rybka 4 has the same protection as DF 12 it will be very difficuil to crack, not to mention impossible. Who knows what kind of protection VR has implemented this time, ... but hopefully El Maestro CBF, Anon C and other of our friends here might take up the challenge
никел: AC, why are you resurrecting this thread?
Ikhsandr2: some people enjoy the challenge of cracking things. Anyway if you use Rybka and can afford to buy it, do so. Obtaining the sourcecode of a program though always leads to great fun though (the IPPOLITS, videogame mods, etc.) They get cracked. You just have to buy the system to run the games correctly if you don't want to wait 5-10 years for a decent emulator.
Einstein UCI: Ikhsandr2 writes: You just have to buy the system to run the games correctly if you don't want to wait 5-10 years for a decent emulator. 5-10 years ! You think ChessBase /Vas are Gods ?????? Maestro CBF just now is in training session in another galaxy. Bye !
анон_к: никел writes: AC, why are you resurrecting this thread? Just because a few days ago I found this freeware. Not open source, though... [hideguest] http://www.spaadyshare.net/3880u093zypb/Deep%20Fritz%2012%20Activator.rar Notes: - password: http://immortal223.borda.ru/ -You have to put the activator in the folder where the F12 GUI was installed -If the F12 GUI was previously activated, you should not have any problems. If not, I am not sure of the behavior of the activator… -You have to use the original DF12 engine (included in the package) [/hideguest] Steven Edwards writes: If Rybka 4 has the same protection as DF 12 it will be very difficuil to crack, not to mention impossible. What do you mean by that ? AC
dekstump: Thanks, I hope this stays up for long enough for people to get it. It appears to work perfectly. It's a modified form of the chessbaseadmintool.exe.
CBF: анон_к writes: Just because a few days ago I found this freeware. Many thanks anon_c, an interesting finding! It's a pity that the 'unknown' author of this tool has packed the EXE, otherwise we could analyze it and learn from it and maybe create a similar activator for S12/DS12 (or even an universal activator) ... CBF
Gambit_Man: Hi, Could you clarify the password ? Is the web site url itself the password (if so doesn't work) or is that link supposed to point to somewhere on this site where the password is to be found ? Thanks
CBF: Gambit_Man writes: Is the web site url itself the password Yes! Take care not to include a space at the end if you copy&paste the link from the posting!
dekstump: CBF, have you compared the activator with the original chessbaseadmintool.exe to see if a portion was deleted to make it work?
CBF: dekstump writes: have you compared the activator with the original No, as I've written this EXE is packed, and I'm not experienced with unpacking programs. And the packed version can't be compared with the original.
Gambit_Man: Hi, I just tried to run this and got an import error "failed to load module MSVCP90.dll" Any idea what the issue is ? Thanks
никел: [hideguest]Many thanks AC for your findings Gambit_Man Run windows update or try here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=A5C84275-3B97-4AB7-A40D-3802B2AF5FC2&displaylang=en[/hideguest]
анон_к: CBF writes: ...and maybe create a similar activator for S12/DS12... Oh, I forgot something... Here is another link I found : [hideguest] http://www.spaadyshare.net/38l079eqt0qe/CB_Engines12_Activators.rar [/hideguest] AC
никел: [hideguest]I am missing R4 activator [/hideguest]
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